RH Bill

[noykopo]

The use of contraceptives is a moral issue not a doctrinal issue.

hmmm... so naniniwala ka na subjective ang morality?


But anyform of artificial method to control birth is immoral in the eyes of the Catholic Hierarchy. That is at the moment.

yun nga ang problema.. napakasubjective ng pagtingin nila sa artificial at hindi... ang pagkakapon ba artificial? ang withdrawal artificial din ba ito?

[jangarnet]

I'd like to clarify that my posts on the stand of Catholics are not the official teachings of the Catholic Church. The teaching authority lies in the magisterium. My posts are but my own understanding of my Catholic faith.

hmmm... so naniniwala ka na subjective ang morality?

Yes, in the same manner that i believe RH Bill is a subjective issue. Otherwise, kung objective ito, di sana di na kailangan ang hearing, deliberations, para gawing batas. At bakit pa kakailanganin na gawin batas ang isang bagay na sigurado ka naman objectively na ito ang tama? Sino ang sasabihin mong objective ang pananaw, iyong sumusoporta ng RH Bill o yung mga hindi sumosuporta nito? And if you think of it, ano ba ang ipinaglalaban ng RH Bill, bigyan kalayaan ang individual to determine the number of children and determine anong method ang gusto nilang gamitin.
Ang morals hindi ba dapat maging subjective? Morality is ultimately based on individual's conscience. Free choice ito. The role of the hierarchy is to guide, clarify matters, assist faithful in making a sound decision. Sa huli, kung sa palagay ng isang individual ay hindi niya dapat sundin ang moral teachings ng hierarchy... that does not make him less Catholic. Pero any faithful that teaches something na contrary and contradictory sa doctrines ng Catholics... ibang usapan na ito. Walang freedom of choice ang isang tao na hindi sumunod kapag doctines ang pinaguusapan.

ang pagkakapon ba artificial? ang withdrawal artificial din ba ito?

I know that you know the answer and how i would answer the question.

[aaa]

We are not getting anywhere Ms aaa.  Palagay ko magkaiba tayo ng dinaraanan or may be magkaiba ang map na ating tinitingnan.  Or perhaps sadya lamang magkaiba ang ating time zone.  Anyhow, luv yah

Sorry to disappoint you but we are of the same gender..anyhow peace...sorry I cannot participate in your debate with noykopo...I'm not that good with Tagalog..peace

[jangarnet]

check this out
http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/inquirerheadlines/nation/view/20090928-227250/Noynoy_and_the_dignity_of_life

[gerrydesign]

I don't get it the article posted on the comparison of Noynoy to Ted Keneddy. Bakit magiging advocate ng abortion si Noynoy. On Keneddy's case, sa US politics, abortion issue is used as a political rhetoric and tool. Republicans will always put the abortion card as much as possible to any issue when there is a controversial legislation or during elections. Take Healthcare bill sa US, The current healthcare bill is really address towards the cost and how insurance company is milking the consumer. The bill adapts current laws on abortion. It's a non issue on the bill but guess what, abortion card comes out because to draw party line support.

With the RH bill, bakit yung mga against, hindi nila makita yung intent nung bill. Bakit yung contraception ini-equate sa abortion. Pag gumamit ba ang isang tao ng condom, ang intent ba ay to kill? Ang mahirap kasi bat natin iniimpose yung paniniwala natin sa ibang tao. Miski sa pinas we are diverse so we have to respect other peoples belief and not impose it. Kung i aadvocate ang natural method, I think the proper forum for that is sa simbahan. Ang intent ng bill is advocate responsible parenting IMO.

[noykopo]

Ang intent ng bill is advocate responsible parenting IMO.

Ito naman IMHO ang bottom line.. responsible parenting and not abortion... ibang usapan yun... abortion pag nakabuo na... contraceptives para hindi mabuo... kaya natin kelangan ng RH...


for jangarnet:

Yes, in the same manner that i believe RH Bill is a subjective issue.
then tell this to the catholic hierarchy...

The role of the hierarchy is to guide, clarify matters, assist faithful in making a sound decision.
ideally...

Sa huli, kung sa palagay ng isang individual ay hindi niya dapat sundin ang moral teachings ng hierarchy... that does not make him less Catholic.
for open minded people like you... i would like to see the catholic hierarchy have this type of view...

I know that you know the answer and how i would answer the question.
i know my answer but how about the catholic hierarchy? what do they think?

ayan... english na yan para maintindihan na ni aaa...

[jangarnet]

May isa pang issue na ayaw ng Catholic hierarchy: Sex Education. Instead of sex education, it advocates values integration.

[gerrydesign]

In pinoy culture, are we still still discrete when talking about sex?
Sex education always gets a bad rap because of the stress in LIBOG/NAUGHTY connotation, and guess who keeps on doing this
In schools I believe the focus is more on the physiological aspect at well as impacts in the social dynamics, tama ba?

[PinkRose01]

Republicans will consistently put the aborticide agenda as abundant as accessible to any affair if there is a arguable legislation or during elections. Take Healthcare bill sa US, The accepted healthcare bill is absolutely abode appear the amount and how allowance aggregation is bribery the consumer.


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[gerrydesign]

Republicans will consistently put the aborticide agenda as abundant as accessible to any affair if there is a arguable legislation or during elections. Take Healthcare bill sa US, The accepted healthcare bill is absolutely abode appear the amount and how allowance aggregation is bribery the consumer.


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lol. Ano kamo? Sa madaling salita ano ang accepted healthcare bill Sa US (miski wala pang officially accepted health bill)

[noykopo]

yaan mo na gerry... halata namang spammer yan e... hahaha... sa usapin naman ng sex education, mas gusto ata kasi ng iglesia na "discreetly" nagsesex ang mga kabataan kesa buksan ang kanilang kamalayan tungkol sa isyung ito...

[memskie]

Rich or poor, we all need salvation. Besides, I don't see the logic why bishops and priests would rather have more poor than rich faithfuls. Saan sila kukuha ng kanilang ikabubuhay? Remember, sa donations at mga bayad sa "church services" sila kumikita ng pera. Mas mayaman ang parokya, mas masaya dahil buhay na buhay ang isang kura paroko. Itanong mo sa parish priest mo kung saan niya gustong ma-assign, sa sapang palay o sa greenhills?

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